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	<title>Comments on: The Laws of Identity: string theory for the web universe?</title>
	<link>http://www.econometa.com/archives/51</link>
	<description>The economy of stuff about stuff</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Econometa &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OpenID: first things first</title>
		<link>http://www.econometa.com/archives/51#comment-15950</link>
		<author>Econometa &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OpenID: first things first</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] issues like security, technology, and usability, and these are all important. But as I&#8217;ve said before, the most important thing is to make it as easy as possible for site owners to adopt the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] issues like security, technology, and usability, and these are all important. But as I&#8217;ve said before, the most important thing is to make it as easy as possible for site owners to adopt the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Econometa &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New PrefPass service: instant universal login!</title>
		<link>http://www.econometa.com/archives/51#comment-15948</link>
		<author>Econometa &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New PrefPass service: instant universal login!</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.econometa.com/archives/51#comment-15948</guid>
		<description>[...] of the pain points for site owners (or &#8220;relying parties&#8221;) that I talked about in my previous post on the Laws of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of the pain points for site owners (or &#8220;relying parties&#8221;) that I talked about in my previous post on the Laws of [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry Shechtman</title>
		<link>http://www.econometa.com/archives/51#comment-7810</link>
		<author>Dmitry Shechtman</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.econometa.com/archives/51#comment-7810</guid>
		<description>I believe OpenID is well worth admin's efforts, since it would make users much happier (in fact, it would attract many users that wouldn't normally bother registering). There are pretty good libraries around, so this isn't all that difficult.

How about standard applications? WordPress has a (yet incomplete) plugin, I'm on &lt;a href="http://openid.phpbb.cc/" rel="nofollow"&gt;phpBB&lt;/a&gt;, and while working on the phpbb-openid site I also polished the Drupal 5 module. I've recently &lt;a href="http://blog.phpbb.cc/2007/02/20/openid-a-module-a-plugin-a-modification/" rel="nofollow"&gt;blogged &lt;/a&gt; about those.

Now, another project of mine involves a different sort of intermediary. I can't currently disclose much details. It would still require the application to have OpenID support, but will hopefully make the users even more happy...

As for the .name domain, I wouldn't regret it that much. Who'd want one anyway? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe OpenID is well worth admin&#8217;s efforts, since it would make users much happier (in fact, it would attract many users that wouldn&#8217;t normally bother registering). There are pretty good libraries around, so this isn&#8217;t all that difficult.</p>
<p>How about standard applications? WordPress has a (yet incomplete) plugin, I&#8217;m on <a href="http://openid.phpbb.cc/" rel="nofollow">phpBB</a>, and while working on the phpbb-openid site I also polished the Drupal 5 module. I&#8217;ve recently <a href="http://blog.phpbb.cc/2007/02/20/openid-a-module-a-plugin-a-modification/" rel="nofollow">blogged </a> about those.</p>
<p>Now, another project of mine involves a different sort of intermediary. I can&#8217;t currently disclose much details. It would still require the application to have OpenID support, but will hopefully make the users even more happy&#8230;</p>
<p>As for the .name domain, I wouldn&#8217;t regret it that much. Who&#8217;d want one anyway? <img src='http://www.econometa.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.econometa.com/archives/51#comment-7805</link>
		<author>Adam</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.econometa.com/archives/51#comment-7805</guid>
		<description>Well, I was worried the physics thing might not go over that well...hopefully the post is readable even ignoring it.

To answer your question, it seems to me that one of the main reasons there's such a lack of OpenID consumers is that it's just not easy to adopt. You have to integrate an OpenID library into your app, alter your user DB to accommodate URL in place of username/password, and then deal with issues like linking OpenIDs to old accounts, letting users change their OpenID URL, etc.

This might not seem like a big deal to you, but I think it's a lot to ask of a site just to ease logins -- after all, that effort will be competing with the usual pressure to work on features and bugs in the app itself. That's why I propose that for apps without high security requirements, that an intermediary deal with OpenID auth for the site and then translate it to the usual username/password. 

Btw, I just saw your description of FreeYourID as "a lot like smoking: it’s bad for you, it costs you money, and you can’t quit." Hah. I previously signed up and immediately regretted it when I realized I'd just forfeited marsh.name...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I was worried the physics thing might not go over that well&#8230;hopefully the post is readable even ignoring it.</p>
<p>To answer your question, it seems to me that one of the main reasons there&#8217;s such a lack of OpenID consumers is that it&#8217;s just not easy to adopt. You have to integrate an OpenID library into your app, alter your user DB to accommodate URL in place of username/password, and then deal with issues like linking OpenIDs to old accounts, letting users change their OpenID URL, etc.</p>
<p>This might not seem like a big deal to you, but I think it&#8217;s a lot to ask of a site just to ease logins &#8212; after all, that effort will be competing with the usual pressure to work on features and bugs in the app itself. That&#8217;s why I propose that for apps without high security requirements, that an intermediary deal with OpenID auth for the site and then translate it to the usual username/password. </p>
<p>Btw, I just saw your description of FreeYourID as &#8220;a lot like smoking: it’s bad for you, it costs you money, and you can’t quit.&#8221; Hah. I previously signed up and immediately regretted it when I realized I&#8217;d just forfeited marsh.name&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry Shechtman</title>
		<link>http://www.econometa.com/archives/51#comment-7791</link>
		<author>Dmitry Shechtman</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 05:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.econometa.com/archives/51#comment-7791</guid>
		<description>I must admit that I only read the last paragraph. I never liked physics, and I can only hope that OpenID (contrary to relativity) will be understood by the general public.

Now, to my question. What integration issues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit that I only read the last paragraph. I never liked physics, and I can only hope that OpenID (contrary to relativity) will be understood by the general public.</p>
<p>Now, to my question. What integration issues?</p>
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